Wieso wirkt das Tribulus bei den Frauen nicht?
Das kann doch bei denen auch das Testosteron stimmulieren.
Frauen haben doch auch Testostosteron in ihrem Körper nur halt weniger.
Tribulus und Wirkung auf Frauen
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von spellcaster » Mi 28. Mai 03, 00:31
Denkt Ihr MAny Blank nimmt Tribulus?
Es ist natürlich möglich den Namen ihrer Haustiere und Kinder als Passwort zu benutzen. Sie sollten aber aus Sicherheitsgründen dafür sorgen, dass die Namen ihrer Haustiere und Kinder mehrere Sonderzeichen enthalten.
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von Eiweißzwerg » Do 29. Mai 03, 11:18
Hier eine Studie für den Dodo (ich habs nicht ganz entziffern können, aber sein Englisch ist besser):
Hei Dodo ließ dir das durch und sag mir mal was du davon hälst.
Solltest du mehr Infos brauchen schau mal unter:
http://www.bpg.bg/tribestan/co_docs/424_007.html
oder
http://www.bpg.bg/sopharma/
Übrigens, die Tabellen mit den Ergebnissen hats hier verschoben. Du findest sie auf der oben erstgenannten Seite.
TRIBESTAN EFFECT ON THE CONCENTRATION OF SOME HORMONES IN THE SERUM OF HEALTHY SUBJECTS
S. Milanov, A. Maleeva, M. Taskov
RIRR - Radioisotope and Radioimmunological Laboratory, Sofia
Chemical Pharmaceutical Research Institute,
Sofia, Bulgaria
SUMMARY
Tribestan effect has been studied on the serum concentration of hypophyseal hormones, of ACTH, STH, LH, FSH, adrenal hormone aldosterone and cortisol and sex hormones - testosterone and estradiol. The experiments have been carried out on 8 males and 8 females, aged 28 - 45 years of age. The product was perorally administered in a single dose of 250 mg, three times daily for 5 days. Serum samples were withdrawn at 8 a.m. and 12 a.m., prior to and post treatment. The product has been established not to change essentially the concentrations of adrenal hormones and of ACTH. The hypophyseal-gonadal axis however has significantly been affected in the females with predominantly increased concentration of FSH and estradiol and in the males - mainly of LH and the testosterone. The mechanism of that action is presumed to be complicated and realized both by direct effect on gonadal apparatus and by the tropic hormones.
The probable established changes in the concentration of the hormones studied do not get out of the frames of the physiological limits.
The lyophilized extract of Tribulus terrestris, introduced in veterinary practice as TB-68, has pronounced sex-stimulating function. The initial studies of this product showed that it stimulates the spermatogenesis of albino rats (Vankov S., et al., 1973) and enhanced the ovulation of female rats (Vankov S. et al. 1973). Zarkova S. (1976) has also established in rats an increased number of spermatogonia, spermatocytes as well as increase of neutral mucopolysaccharides in seminiferous tubules of the testes. Gendzhev Z. and S. Zarkova, in other experiments (1978) proved the increase of spermatic reserve in the epididymis of rats.
With the view to the need of human medicine of a product stimulating sexual function, Tribestan was formulated on the base of the indicated phytochemical product. It contains saponins of furostanol type (Tomova M. et al., 1978). The first studies of Tribestan confirmed its high sex-stimulating activity in experimental animals (Zarkova S., 1981). Later, the clinical studies established a similar stimulating effect in humans as well (Protich M. at al. 1981). The present study was carried out with a view to throwing light on some aspects of the mechanism of that action of Tribestan, aiming at attaining an effect from the product on the serum concentration of some hypophyseal, sexual and adrenal hormones.
MATERIALS AND METHODS
The experiments were performed on 16 subjects (8 females and 8 males), aged 28-45. All subjects were in good health, without any complaints and good capacity for work. The following schedule was used:
1. The basic levels of hypophysiotropic hormones (ACTH, STH, LH, FSH), of sexual hormones (testosterone and estradiol) and of adrenal hormones (aldosterone and cortisol) were determined. They were determined twice, at 8 a.m. and 12 p.m. - one day prior to Tribestan treatment.
2. The treatment with the product was initiated on the following day, which was periodically administered, 250 mg, three times daily for 5 days.
3. After the termination of Tribestan treatment (day sixth after the initiation of the experiment), blood was again withdrawn (at the same hour - 8:00 a.m. and 12 p.m.) for the determination of the concentration of the indicated hormones.
The work proceeded in the following way: after centrifugation of 6 - 8 ml blood, the serum obtained was frozen at 20°C till the day of the determination of hormonal concentration. The determination was performed by radioimmune tests. LH and FSH were determined by the modified method of Midgley A.R., (1967), making use of some kits of Biodata company, Italy and ACTH and STH - according to the method of Berson S.A. and R. S. Yalow (1963). Testosterone was evaluated by the method of William R. H. (1968), and of estradiol by Orezyk G.P. et al. (1974), making use of kits of Sorin Company, Belgium for both hormones. The adrenal hormones cortisol and aldosterone were also determined by kits of that company, making use of Vescei P. (1974) and of William G and R. Hunderwood (1974).
The obtained results were statistically processed by variation analysis, by Student - t test.
RESULTS AND DISCUSSION
As could be seen from Table 1, LH level in the males was elevated with a high significance after the treatment (p < 0.001). The changes affected both samples to the same rate (at 8 a.m. and 12 p.m.). FSH concentration was not affected under the same conditions. The other two hypophyseal hormones, ACTH and STH were not changed.
An insignificant tendency to elevation was observed in STH level (mean values - 2.9 prior to and 3.2 mg/ml post treatment) in some of the cases. The level of sex hormones was strongly affected. Thus testosterone concentration was three-fold (2) increased and that of estradiol - about 1.5 times (Table 1).
Table 1
Hormone Prior to Tribestan Post Tribestan
8 a.m. 12 p.m. 8 a.m. 12 p.m.
LH, mIU/ml X 13.0 14.38(1) 37.25 24.75
SX 0.64 0.73 1.01 0.79
Pt 0.001 0.001
FSH, mIU/ml X 13.38 13.50 13.38 11.38
SX 0.35 0.28 0.35 0.36
Pt >0.5 >0.5
Testosterone, ng % X 628 610 882 845
SX 48 46 35 32
Pt <0.001 <0.001
Estradiol pg/ml X 79 76 133 137.5
SX 3.46 2.24 6.72 5.86
Pt <0.001 <0.001
LH concentration was also increased in females under Tribestan effect. What impressed was that the significance was lower than the first sample. The greatest discrepancy, as compared with the results of the males, was the sharp stimulation of FSH. A strong effect was observed there, which could be explained by blood withdrawal during the early phase of the menstrual cycle, the so-called follicular phase. Estradiol was also strongly affected (Pt < 0.001), whereas testosterone in the females during the early hours of the day was less affected (Table 2).
Table 2
Hormone Prior to Tribestan Post Tribestan
8 a.m. 12 p.m. 8 a.m. 12 p.m.
LH, mIU/ml X 15.25 13.50 17.13 16.88
SX 0.64 0.87 0.73 0.35
Pt 0.02 0.001
FSH, mIU/ml X 11.00 11.88 17.75 15.25
SX 0.13 0.09 0.71 0.38
Pt 0.001 0.001
Estradiol mIU/ml X 72.13 59.38 77.13 87.50
SX 6.02 5.73 5.47 3.24
Pt 0.5 0.001
The level of adrenal hormone was identically affected both in males and females (Table 3). A significant increase of the concentration was also established though that effect had a relatively low significance (p < 0.05). At the same time, cortisol level was no changed (Table 3).
Table 3
Aldosterone Cortisol
Prior to Post Prior to Post
X 11.59 13.77 8.63 8.63
S 2.52 3.48 2.20 1.92
SX 0.63 0.87 0.55 0.48
Pt 0.05 0.05
The results obtained provided grounds to admit that Tribestan had a pronounced stimulating effect on the secretion of some hormones. The effect on the hormones along the hypophyseal-gonadal axis was particularly well manifested. The effect was manifested both at hypophyseal and gonadal level. Some sexual discrepancies were also established. Thus, FSH was mainly affected in the females. The presence of that hormone is exceptionally important during the follicular phase for the development of the follicle. When its development is stimulated, its secretory ability is also intensified and hence - estradiol level is elevated. Lutenizing hormone is more strongly influenced in the male, which on its part stimulates the secretion of testosterone.
ACTH and cortisol were not changed suggesting that they were not significantly involved in the realization of Tribestan effects. The tendency of stimulation of STH and aldosterone explained the activation of the anabolic processes in the body and general stimulating action of the product. The absence of effect on the level of cortisol showed however that the general tonic action was very strongly manifested.
It should be stressed that the level of the hormones studied did not go out beyond the physiological frames i.e. it did not disturb the physiological mechanisms of hormonal regulation.
References
Vankov S., S. Zarkova, Z. Gendzhev, M. Tomova - Effect of TB-68 on the spermatogenesis in albino rats. Proceeding of the Third National Conference of Pharmacology and Clinics of New Bulgarian Drugs, Sofia, November 14-16, 1973, v.2, 161-163.
Vankov S., S. Zarkova, M. Tomova - TB-68 effect on ovulation of albino rats. Proceedings of Third National Conference of Pharmacology and Clinics of New Bulgarian Drugs, Sofia, November 14-16, 1973, v.2, 165-167.
Gendzhev Z., S. Zarkova - Effect of the phyto-pharmaceutical TB-68 on the number of spermatozoa in epididymis of rat. Med. Archive, 1978, N I, 113-118.
Dimova P., M. Taskov - Comparative enzyme-histological studies of some phyto-products. MBI (at the printer's), 1981.
Zarkova S. - Morphological and histological changes in testes of rat under the effect of TB-68, Med. Archive, 1976, N 4, 49-53.
Protich M., D. Zvetanov, V. Nalbanski, R.Stanislavov, M.Kazarova - Clinical trial of Tribestan on infertile males, MBI (at the printer's).
Tomova M., V. Gyulemetova, S. Zarkova - Author's certificate N 77584 A 61 K 35/1978.
Berson S.A., R. S. Yalow - Immunoassay of protein hormones, The Hormones, Vol. V, Acad. Press., New York, 1963.
Midgley A.R. - Radioimmunoassay for Human, J. Clin. Endocr., 1967, 27, 295.
Orezyk, Gaylo P., Burton v. Caldwell, Harold H. Behrmaan - Methods of Hormone Radioimmunoassay - Ed. B. Jaffe, H. Berhmaan, A6. Press, NJ, London, 1974, 333-343.
Vescei P. - Glicocorticoids: Cortisol Corticosterone - Methods of Hormone Radioimmunoassay; Ed. B. Jaffe and H. Behrmaan, Ac. Press, NJ, London 393-412.
William R.H. - Textbook of Endocrinology 4th Edit. Saunder, Philadelphia, 1968.
Williams Gordon H., Richard H. Hunderwood - Methods of Hormon Radioimmunoassay; Ed. B. Jaffe and H. Behrmaan, Ac. Press, NJ, London, 1974, 371-390.
NOTES BELOW ARE NOT PART OF ORIGINAL DOCUMENT
Corrections:
Corrected value to 14.38 where previous value erroneously published was 14.28. (Date of correction 01/16/2002.
Inconsistency in the statement three-fold and table values. Corresponds to English translated document. Needs comparison with original document in Bulgarian language. Further investigation underway.
Hei Dodo ließ dir das durch und sag mir mal was du davon hälst.
Solltest du mehr Infos brauchen schau mal unter:
http://www.bpg.bg/tribestan/co_docs/424_007.html
oder
http://www.bpg.bg/sopharma/
Übrigens, die Tabellen mit den Ergebnissen hats hier verschoben. Du findest sie auf der oben erstgenannten Seite.
TRIBESTAN EFFECT ON THE CONCENTRATION OF SOME HORMONES IN THE SERUM OF HEALTHY SUBJECTS
S. Milanov, A. Maleeva, M. Taskov
RIRR - Radioisotope and Radioimmunological Laboratory, Sofia
Chemical Pharmaceutical Research Institute,
Sofia, Bulgaria
SUMMARY
Tribestan effect has been studied on the serum concentration of hypophyseal hormones, of ACTH, STH, LH, FSH, adrenal hormone aldosterone and cortisol and sex hormones - testosterone and estradiol. The experiments have been carried out on 8 males and 8 females, aged 28 - 45 years of age. The product was perorally administered in a single dose of 250 mg, three times daily for 5 days. Serum samples were withdrawn at 8 a.m. and 12 a.m., prior to and post treatment. The product has been established not to change essentially the concentrations of adrenal hormones and of ACTH. The hypophyseal-gonadal axis however has significantly been affected in the females with predominantly increased concentration of FSH and estradiol and in the males - mainly of LH and the testosterone. The mechanism of that action is presumed to be complicated and realized both by direct effect on gonadal apparatus and by the tropic hormones.
The probable established changes in the concentration of the hormones studied do not get out of the frames of the physiological limits.
The lyophilized extract of Tribulus terrestris, introduced in veterinary practice as TB-68, has pronounced sex-stimulating function. The initial studies of this product showed that it stimulates the spermatogenesis of albino rats (Vankov S., et al., 1973) and enhanced the ovulation of female rats (Vankov S. et al. 1973). Zarkova S. (1976) has also established in rats an increased number of spermatogonia, spermatocytes as well as increase of neutral mucopolysaccharides in seminiferous tubules of the testes. Gendzhev Z. and S. Zarkova, in other experiments (1978) proved the increase of spermatic reserve in the epididymis of rats.
With the view to the need of human medicine of a product stimulating sexual function, Tribestan was formulated on the base of the indicated phytochemical product. It contains saponins of furostanol type (Tomova M. et al., 1978). The first studies of Tribestan confirmed its high sex-stimulating activity in experimental animals (Zarkova S., 1981). Later, the clinical studies established a similar stimulating effect in humans as well (Protich M. at al. 1981). The present study was carried out with a view to throwing light on some aspects of the mechanism of that action of Tribestan, aiming at attaining an effect from the product on the serum concentration of some hypophyseal, sexual and adrenal hormones.
MATERIALS AND METHODS
The experiments were performed on 16 subjects (8 females and 8 males), aged 28-45. All subjects were in good health, without any complaints and good capacity for work. The following schedule was used:
1. The basic levels of hypophysiotropic hormones (ACTH, STH, LH, FSH), of sexual hormones (testosterone and estradiol) and of adrenal hormones (aldosterone and cortisol) were determined. They were determined twice, at 8 a.m. and 12 p.m. - one day prior to Tribestan treatment.
2. The treatment with the product was initiated on the following day, which was periodically administered, 250 mg, three times daily for 5 days.
3. After the termination of Tribestan treatment (day sixth after the initiation of the experiment), blood was again withdrawn (at the same hour - 8:00 a.m. and 12 p.m.) for the determination of the concentration of the indicated hormones.
The work proceeded in the following way: after centrifugation of 6 - 8 ml blood, the serum obtained was frozen at 20°C till the day of the determination of hormonal concentration. The determination was performed by radioimmune tests. LH and FSH were determined by the modified method of Midgley A.R., (1967), making use of some kits of Biodata company, Italy and ACTH and STH - according to the method of Berson S.A. and R. S. Yalow (1963). Testosterone was evaluated by the method of William R. H. (1968), and of estradiol by Orezyk G.P. et al. (1974), making use of kits of Sorin Company, Belgium for both hormones. The adrenal hormones cortisol and aldosterone were also determined by kits of that company, making use of Vescei P. (1974) and of William G and R. Hunderwood (1974).
The obtained results were statistically processed by variation analysis, by Student - t test.
RESULTS AND DISCUSSION
As could be seen from Table 1, LH level in the males was elevated with a high significance after the treatment (p < 0.001). The changes affected both samples to the same rate (at 8 a.m. and 12 p.m.). FSH concentration was not affected under the same conditions. The other two hypophyseal hormones, ACTH and STH were not changed.
An insignificant tendency to elevation was observed in STH level (mean values - 2.9 prior to and 3.2 mg/ml post treatment) in some of the cases. The level of sex hormones was strongly affected. Thus testosterone concentration was three-fold (2) increased and that of estradiol - about 1.5 times (Table 1).
Table 1
Hormone Prior to Tribestan Post Tribestan
8 a.m. 12 p.m. 8 a.m. 12 p.m.
LH, mIU/ml X 13.0 14.38(1) 37.25 24.75
SX 0.64 0.73 1.01 0.79
Pt 0.001 0.001
FSH, mIU/ml X 13.38 13.50 13.38 11.38
SX 0.35 0.28 0.35 0.36
Pt >0.5 >0.5
Testosterone, ng % X 628 610 882 845
SX 48 46 35 32
Pt <0.001 <0.001
Estradiol pg/ml X 79 76 133 137.5
SX 3.46 2.24 6.72 5.86
Pt <0.001 <0.001
LH concentration was also increased in females under Tribestan effect. What impressed was that the significance was lower than the first sample. The greatest discrepancy, as compared with the results of the males, was the sharp stimulation of FSH. A strong effect was observed there, which could be explained by blood withdrawal during the early phase of the menstrual cycle, the so-called follicular phase. Estradiol was also strongly affected (Pt < 0.001), whereas testosterone in the females during the early hours of the day was less affected (Table 2).
Table 2
Hormone Prior to Tribestan Post Tribestan
8 a.m. 12 p.m. 8 a.m. 12 p.m.
LH, mIU/ml X 15.25 13.50 17.13 16.88
SX 0.64 0.87 0.73 0.35
Pt 0.02 0.001
FSH, mIU/ml X 11.00 11.88 17.75 15.25
SX 0.13 0.09 0.71 0.38
Pt 0.001 0.001
Estradiol mIU/ml X 72.13 59.38 77.13 87.50
SX 6.02 5.73 5.47 3.24
Pt 0.5 0.001
The level of adrenal hormone was identically affected both in males and females (Table 3). A significant increase of the concentration was also established though that effect had a relatively low significance (p < 0.05). At the same time, cortisol level was no changed (Table 3).
Table 3
Aldosterone Cortisol
Prior to Post Prior to Post
X 11.59 13.77 8.63 8.63
S 2.52 3.48 2.20 1.92
SX 0.63 0.87 0.55 0.48
Pt 0.05 0.05
The results obtained provided grounds to admit that Tribestan had a pronounced stimulating effect on the secretion of some hormones. The effect on the hormones along the hypophyseal-gonadal axis was particularly well manifested. The effect was manifested both at hypophyseal and gonadal level. Some sexual discrepancies were also established. Thus, FSH was mainly affected in the females. The presence of that hormone is exceptionally important during the follicular phase for the development of the follicle. When its development is stimulated, its secretory ability is also intensified and hence - estradiol level is elevated. Lutenizing hormone is more strongly influenced in the male, which on its part stimulates the secretion of testosterone.
ACTH and cortisol were not changed suggesting that they were not significantly involved in the realization of Tribestan effects. The tendency of stimulation of STH and aldosterone explained the activation of the anabolic processes in the body and general stimulating action of the product. The absence of effect on the level of cortisol showed however that the general tonic action was very strongly manifested.
It should be stressed that the level of the hormones studied did not go out beyond the physiological frames i.e. it did not disturb the physiological mechanisms of hormonal regulation.
References
Vankov S., S. Zarkova, Z. Gendzhev, M. Tomova - Effect of TB-68 on the spermatogenesis in albino rats. Proceeding of the Third National Conference of Pharmacology and Clinics of New Bulgarian Drugs, Sofia, November 14-16, 1973, v.2, 161-163.
Vankov S., S. Zarkova, M. Tomova - TB-68 effect on ovulation of albino rats. Proceedings of Third National Conference of Pharmacology and Clinics of New Bulgarian Drugs, Sofia, November 14-16, 1973, v.2, 165-167.
Gendzhev Z., S. Zarkova - Effect of the phyto-pharmaceutical TB-68 on the number of spermatozoa in epididymis of rat. Med. Archive, 1978, N I, 113-118.
Dimova P., M. Taskov - Comparative enzyme-histological studies of some phyto-products. MBI (at the printer's), 1981.
Zarkova S. - Morphological and histological changes in testes of rat under the effect of TB-68, Med. Archive, 1976, N 4, 49-53.
Protich M., D. Zvetanov, V. Nalbanski, R.Stanislavov, M.Kazarova - Clinical trial of Tribestan on infertile males, MBI (at the printer's).
Tomova M., V. Gyulemetova, S. Zarkova - Author's certificate N 77584 A 61 K 35/1978.
Berson S.A., R. S. Yalow - Immunoassay of protein hormones, The Hormones, Vol. V, Acad. Press., New York, 1963.
Midgley A.R. - Radioimmunoassay for Human, J. Clin. Endocr., 1967, 27, 295.
Orezyk, Gaylo P., Burton v. Caldwell, Harold H. Behrmaan - Methods of Hormone Radioimmunoassay - Ed. B. Jaffe, H. Berhmaan, A6. Press, NJ, London, 1974, 333-343.
Vescei P. - Glicocorticoids: Cortisol Corticosterone - Methods of Hormone Radioimmunoassay; Ed. B. Jaffe and H. Behrmaan, Ac. Press, NJ, London 393-412.
William R.H. - Textbook of Endocrinology 4th Edit. Saunder, Philadelphia, 1968.
Williams Gordon H., Richard H. Hunderwood - Methods of Hormon Radioimmunoassay; Ed. B. Jaffe and H. Behrmaan, Ac. Press, NJ, London, 1974, 371-390.
NOTES BELOW ARE NOT PART OF ORIGINAL DOCUMENT
Corrections:
Corrected value to 14.38 where previous value erroneously published was 14.28. (Date of correction 01/16/2002.
Inconsistency in the statement three-fold and table values. Corresponds to English translated document. Needs comparison with original document in Bulgarian language. Further investigation underway.
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von Dodo2801 » Do 29. Mai 03, 11:51
du hanny
da steht genau das was ich dir runtergebetet habe, les das mal genauer und überleg dir was "folicle heißt"
les das:
estradiol heißt übrigens Östradiol (Östrogen) und ist das weibl. Geschlechtshormon.
da steht genau das was ich dir runtergebetet habe, les das mal genauer und überleg dir was "folicle heißt"
les das:
The presence of that hormone is exceptionally important during the follicular phase for the development of the follicle. When its development is stimulated, its secretory ability is also intensified and hence - estradiol level is elevated. Lutenizing hormone is more strongly influenced in the male, which on its part stimulates the secretion of testosterone.
estradiol heißt übrigens Östradiol (Östrogen) und ist das weibl. Geschlechtshormon.
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von locdog » Mi 16. Jul 03, 01:00
was is das für ein müll hier tribulus tribolan und so steigern die testo
produktion beim mann ,so weit ich weit haben frauen fast kein
oder gar kein testo im köper die hardcore bb (frauen) spritzen
-tonnen- weise testo und was wird aus ihnen sie schaun aus wie transen
is wohl auch nicht das wahre
hab selber sehr gute erfahrungen mit tribolan gemacht
aber kann mir beim besten willen nicht vorstellen dass
es bei frauen wirkt
produktion beim mann ,so weit ich weit haben frauen fast kein
oder gar kein testo im köper die hardcore bb (frauen) spritzen
-tonnen- weise testo und was wird aus ihnen sie schaun aus wie transen
is wohl auch nicht das wahre
hab selber sehr gute erfahrungen mit tribolan gemacht
aber kann mir beim besten willen nicht vorstellen dass
es bei frauen wirkt
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von Audibabe » Mi 16. Jul 03, 07:58
locdog hat geschrieben:was is das für ein müll hier tribulus tribolan und so steigern die testo
produktion beim mann ,so weit ich weit haben frauen fast kein
oder gar kein testo im köper die hardcore bb (frauen) spritzen
-tonnen- weise testo und was wird aus ihnen sie schaun aus wie transen
is wohl auch nicht das wahre
erstens bitte ich dich, dich besser auszudrücken... man kann auch negatives gewähler ausdrücken.
zweitens haben frauen sehr wohl test! die eine mehr, die andere weniger... so, wie männer auch weibliche hormone haben...
ob tribulus bei ihnen wirkt, sei dahingestellt....
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von Dodo2801 » Mi 16. Jul 03, 17:14
lest euch die packungsbeilage von Clomid durch.
Das was tribulus bewirken soll, bewirkt genau Clomid und zwar nichts andres als eine stimulation der Hypophyse, das sie mehr LH ausstößt.
Und was bewirkt das bei Frauen!?? ein Eisprung, nix mehr testo
Das was tribulus bewirken soll, bewirkt genau Clomid und zwar nichts andres als eine stimulation der Hypophyse, das sie mehr LH ausstößt.
Und was bewirkt das bei Frauen!?? ein Eisprung, nix mehr testo
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von minimaus » Sa 2. Aug 03, 22:48
hallo,
habe vor einigen jahren mal tribu genommen. kann mich an die zuwächse nicht mehr so recht erinnern. nur eines ist sicher, mein körper hat sich total umgestellt. ich war recht heftig drauf und mir stellte sich die frage "wovon" es war tribulus. es hat eine gewisse wirkung und ich bin sicher, daß es bei frauen ganz gut wirkt. creatin hat für mich nur einen sinn. du siehst aus wie ein schwamm und bringen tut es ausser kosten nichts. davon habe ich schon lange abstand genommen, da ich dieses schwammige nicht mag.
habe vor einigen jahren mal tribu genommen. kann mich an die zuwächse nicht mehr so recht erinnern. nur eines ist sicher, mein körper hat sich total umgestellt. ich war recht heftig drauf und mir stellte sich die frage "wovon" es war tribulus. es hat eine gewisse wirkung und ich bin sicher, daß es bei frauen ganz gut wirkt. creatin hat für mich nur einen sinn. du siehst aus wie ein schwamm und bringen tut es ausser kosten nichts. davon habe ich schon lange abstand genommen, da ich dieses schwammige nicht mag.
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von Elrond » So 3. Aug 03, 02:26
tribulus wirkt bei frauen definitiv. allerdings weniger auf die testosteronmenge, als mehr auf das verhältnis von progesteron und östradiol.
der wirkmechanismus auf die hypophyse ist derselbe, nur das frauen eben andere hormone bei stimulation ausschütten.
der wirkmechanismus auf die hypophyse ist derselbe, nur das frauen eben andere hormone bei stimulation ausschütten.
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Re: Tribulus und Wirkung auf Frauen
von jehohanan » Di 24. Jan 12, 10:43
Hallo,
ganz so ist es auch wieder nicht, beschäftige mich seit Jahren mit Zusatzernährung und Stimulanzien, im allgemeinen Sport und Muskelaufbau.
Zum einen Tribulus erhöht den Testosteron Spiegel nicht direkt sondern indirekt über die pflanzlichen Saponine den LH (luteinisierendes Hormon). Bei Frauen produzieren die Eierstöcke und die Nebennierenrinde geringe Mengen an Testosteron. In der Biosynthese des Organismus ist das Cholesterol der Precursor (Vorstufe), bzw. das Progesteron ein Zwischenprodukt für die Testosteronsynthese. Somit ja, LH steigert Fruchtbarkeit und Ovulation (Eisprung) aber damit eben auch den TEstosteron Spiegel. Nach meiner ERfahrung ist die natürliche Steigerung aber nur dann effektiv (und das sehr) wenn mehrere Faktoren berücksichtigt werden. Low Carb Diät, viel Schlaf, Kraft UND Ausdauertraining,- sorry, aber gerade der fungiert in natürlichem Sport als Testo Booster, weil Cortisol abbauend... Frische Luft und,- ausreichend SEX bei Mann und Frau.
Natürlich nicht zu vergleichen mit der exogenen Gabe von Testosteron in chemischer Form. Auch richtig dass der Testosteron Spiegel der Frauen wesentlich geringer ist als bei Männern (der natürliche)durchschn. 5 nmol/l.
Was bewirkt ein höherer Testorsteron Spiegel bei Frauen,- erhöhte Libido, in natürlichem Masse Ausgeglichenheit, Fettabbau insbesondere (langfristig) bei Cellulite (Mangel von Testosteron im Gewebe).Meiner Erfahrung nach bewirkt die LANGFRISTIGE Gabe von Tribulus in Kombination mit ausreichend Schlaf und einer entsprechenden Ernährung und Sport bei Frauen sehr wohl einiges!! Man muss hier aber eine Aufbauzeit (Umwandlung) von etwa 4 Wochen berücksichtigen bis das Präparat wirkt.
Herzlich Jehohanan
ganz so ist es auch wieder nicht, beschäftige mich seit Jahren mit Zusatzernährung und Stimulanzien, im allgemeinen Sport und Muskelaufbau.
Zum einen Tribulus erhöht den Testosteron Spiegel nicht direkt sondern indirekt über die pflanzlichen Saponine den LH (luteinisierendes Hormon). Bei Frauen produzieren die Eierstöcke und die Nebennierenrinde geringe Mengen an Testosteron. In der Biosynthese des Organismus ist das Cholesterol der Precursor (Vorstufe), bzw. das Progesteron ein Zwischenprodukt für die Testosteronsynthese. Somit ja, LH steigert Fruchtbarkeit und Ovulation (Eisprung) aber damit eben auch den TEstosteron Spiegel. Nach meiner ERfahrung ist die natürliche Steigerung aber nur dann effektiv (und das sehr) wenn mehrere Faktoren berücksichtigt werden. Low Carb Diät, viel Schlaf, Kraft UND Ausdauertraining,- sorry, aber gerade der fungiert in natürlichem Sport als Testo Booster, weil Cortisol abbauend... Frische Luft und,- ausreichend SEX bei Mann und Frau.
Natürlich nicht zu vergleichen mit der exogenen Gabe von Testosteron in chemischer Form. Auch richtig dass der Testosteron Spiegel der Frauen wesentlich geringer ist als bei Männern (der natürliche)durchschn. 5 nmol/l.
Was bewirkt ein höherer Testorsteron Spiegel bei Frauen,- erhöhte Libido, in natürlichem Masse Ausgeglichenheit, Fettabbau insbesondere (langfristig) bei Cellulite (Mangel von Testosteron im Gewebe).Meiner Erfahrung nach bewirkt die LANGFRISTIGE Gabe von Tribulus in Kombination mit ausreichend Schlaf und einer entsprechenden Ernährung und Sport bei Frauen sehr wohl einiges!! Man muss hier aber eine Aufbauzeit (Umwandlung) von etwa 4 Wochen berücksichtigen bis das Präparat wirkt.
Herzlich Jehohanan
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